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Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:27 pm

Hi Command Bridge friends.

Happy Thanksgiving!

As we are working hard to finish up projects and start provisioning for our travels to the middle Bahamas region for a six week adventure this winter, I had a conversation with a friend who was surprised we did not have an automatic fire extinguisher system in our engine compartment. I'm looking at a few systems now and (swallowing hard on teh prices) am wonder A: has anyone here installed one? If so which one FireBoy etc.? B: What size do I call the engine compartment? 350 sq's? 450 sq's? More/less? Obviously don't want to undersized, but don't want to pay for overkill either? C: is installation tough? Seems an auto engine kill and perhaps air intake dampers are required... Input?

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:10 pm

Strange and earlier search didn't turn this up but a subsequent one (on another subject) did
Board index ‹ Everything Albin ‹ Command Bridge 32-45 ‹ Fire Suppression System

It's a start. Still not sure how to calculate engine room size on a 32+2.
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:31 pm

unfortunately until you get in there with a tape measure you wont know what size you need I don't know if there is an easy way to do it without measuring. overkill is never overkill when it comes to a boat - you don't want to have a fire offshore and not be able to put it out. engine kill system at least seems like a good idea. I don't know that you need air intake dampers tho, too many other ways for oxygen to get in there
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:51 pm

Thanks!

I suppose we are looking for volume of air. So hull minus some allowances for the engine mass, fuel tanks etc.. It is hard to imagine being able to really starve oxygen.. everything is very open throughout the vessel. .
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Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:26 pm

I am also looking for an automatic fire extinguisher for my Albin 28TE.
Seems to be required for charter boats as per the USCG.
Looking at the smallest Fireboy, 25 square feet.
Anybody installed these on the 28TE, if so, where..?
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Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:43 pm

On second thought, the machinery space on Albi 28TEs are probably a bit more than 25 cubic feet as all the bilge, battery and underdeck space should be included, not just the engine box.
Perhaps as much as 200 cubic feet?
This a 200 model, a bit pricy, but good insurance..
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Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:09 pm

There is no point installing the extinguisher unless you also install an automatic engine shut down. A diesel engine will suck the suppressant into the engine and blow it out the exhaust leaving the fire to burn. I installed a 275cf unit on my 28. Fire on a boat is the more terrifying than the biggest waves.
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Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:54 pm

jetter wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:09 pm
There is no point installing the extinguisher unless you also install an automatic engine shut down. A diesel engine will suck the suppressant into the engine and blow it out the exhaust leaving the fire to burn. I installed a 275cf unit on my 28. Fire on a boat is the more terrifying than the biggest waves.
Makes sense but I would guess the halon or whatever they are using nowadays would kill the engine for lack of oxygen..?
Will look into it anyways, thx.
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I had a Fireboy with automatic shutdown installed in my engine box 28. This unit was installed by Albin at build, but I have no notes as to its sizing. Here are a couple of pictures.
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Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:37 pm

. Here are a couple of pictures.
Thx Kevin.
Did you request the system as an option, or was the boat being built for commercial use?
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Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:51 am

Norseman wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:37 pm
. Here are a couple of pictures.
Thx Kevin.
Did you request the system as an option, or was the boat being built for commercial use?
At the time of build, the fire extiguisher system was a standard Albin option though I don't think many were built out this way.

I was the fortunate 2nd owner of a very optioned out boat and took possession of a 2 year old 28 with only 82 hours on the clock. The previous owner was awaiting delivery of a custom ordered 35 Command Bridge from Standish in RI where my 28 had been traded to.

I tried blowing up the original picture to get part #'s off of the canister, but the resolution fell apart.
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:36 pm

Thx Kevin.

To answer my own question: An automatic system is not required on a UPV. I misread the requirements on the USCG page, it says IF you have a fixed system on a boat between 26’ and 40’, then you can reduce the number of portable bottles by one.
Whatever, not going to install a system, but it would be prudent to have a loud fire/smoke warning system down there in the basement.
Will look for one of those instead. Perhaps even a household one with a 5 year Battery would work...
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:42 pm

I have a factory system on my 2000 32+2, but it doesn't look like it was ever maintained since installed (still has a hang tag with just install date info on it, no follow-up recerts). I'll be looking to install a new one at some point, so if anybody has sizing info, please share. Given the factory building errors and mistakes I've corrected so far in 16 months of ownership, I'm not sure I should trust Albin's original calculations as to what sizing is needed.
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Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:52 am

Regarding 'recerts' when I asked Travellers what needed to be done to my Halon system to keep them happy they said to check the weight annually. There is a tag with the original weigh listed, if the weight is the same all is OK. I put teh tank on a scale and take a picture as evidence. FWIW. Trav

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Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:00 am

Thank you for that!
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