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Frozen Seacock

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gfuller
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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I actually just edited my last post mentioning "OCD" and referencing Rob :)

I've learned so much here in the last couple of weeks of Albin ownership and I'm very fortunate for such an awesome online community of like-minded friends. I find it incredible that even after the novelty has worn off from purchasing an Albin and having the "new to me" experience you all continue to support newcomers. Additionally, Rob has moved on to a larger, (non-Albin, (not cool Rob!)) vessel and still shares his wealth of knowledge and experience with us, just awesome!

I feel like I'm creating too many new topics but I'm trying to be diligent about searching before asking and hope situations like this help someone else out in the future.


To be honest, I used to walk by an Albin (charter 28 TE) on the way to my boat every time I'd go out and I loved the looks of the boat and even followed it in during rough seas while watching the crew filet fish in it's wake but didn't think it was financially feasible. I met a gentleman last year who had a very early 90's or late 80's 27' getting fuel at my marina. I again saw the boat and had to stop on the dock and ask him about it. He said it took him 2 years to find it, it came from Lake Champlain, it had a nissan "which is loud as hell and only does 12 knts") and he paid around $20k for it.

I fell in love with the 27 and considered selling my 2006 25' WA for something similar. 4 months later I have the 28 TE, so excited.

That is a beautiful part of the world you live in, Nancy. My parent's best friends had a camp in North Hero that I still dream of.
Yes - the Acadermy. Great school :) I started at Danville but they only offered so much.
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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Speaking of Rob, have you seen any pictures of his bilge yet????!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

The novelty has worn off your new boat? We're heading into our sixth year with ours - hard to believe it's been that long - and it's just now feeling less than new. Maybe that's because of our short season. Speaking of which, I'm really hoping the weather breaks soon. We usually uncover April 15-20.

OK, bad thread drift here - sorry.

You're doing fine on the topics - no worries.
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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No No! the novelty has not worn off on me at all!!! I meant with you well seasoned Albin owners still contributing and how it hasn't!

I haven't even driven our new boat yet! I've seen the pics of Rob's 28 TE and it makes me want to vomit looking at mine.. Ok, not that bad but seriously, the guy knows how to take care of a boat. I literally bookmarked his post when he was selling it and labeled as "best example of an Albin" so I could reference it.

It's COLD... I'm hoping to be on the slip by May 1st.
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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I thought you removed that 90 degree tailpiece so you could soak with penetrant from the top down?

I wouldn't worry about the hole pattern, those are just screwed into the hull, not thru bolts, so once you remove the valve just fill the holes with the condiment of your choice and sand smooth and start from scratch. Everyone has their own methods and preferred products, but I would just bed the new flange in 4200 and not bother with the screws. BTW, that "green" area is solid glass, not cored.

As far as me "setting the bar" the only bar that comes to mind was with Nancy for "bilge cleanliness" with my Albin :D

And for my need/desire to replace them all: All of my seacocks were frozen on the Albin. She was not an abused boat but she was not a boat that received an ounce of TLC and she sat a lot with very little use. On the Chris 3 were original from 1974 and the others were these two plumbing store specials...
Washdown - Plumbing Store Special.JPG
Air Cond. - Plumbing Store Special.jpg
Looking ahead - if you have that oh too common white pvc sani hose don't reuse it on your new seacock. At least for now replace that length with Trident 101 and eventually when you're in "project mode" replace it all with the 101. It comes in black or white and is superior in every way. Even Peggy approves it :wink: I ripped out and re-deisigned the entire waste system on the Chris and used it, really great stuff... the bend radius and ease of fitting to hose barbs was a pleasure. The bend radius was important for my y-valve layout.
new seacocks and hoses.jpg
hoses and y_valves above the LWL.jpg
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Re: Frozen Seacock

Post by RobS »

Just realized this thread had a second page - I had not seen the tree posts ahead of what I posted earlier this morning.. Too funny about the "clean bilge". Yeah, definitely keep the topics coming, with pictures! Nancy I think we're okay on the "thread drift", JT hasn't advised otherwise..
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Re: Frozen Seacock

Post by Nancy »

Rob, speaking of bars, one of these days, we'll need to meet in one. Nice hardware store seacocks, btw. The plywood base plate/spacer/whatever is an especially nice touch with the rusted handle.

G, Rob is right about the Trident sanitation hose although in our experience, it's not quite as easy as he makes it sound. The white version is #102.
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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RobS wrote: If you end up pulling the seacock I highly recommend the stepped wrench from Buck...I've done many seacocks of all different sizes including all of them on the Albin and now on the Chris Craft and the tool is invaluable..

Amen! - Received this tool in the mail yesterday and it was a 3 minute job! Thanks, Rob.

Are the plastic ones above the water line easily removed from inside the hull? I believe they are just threaded all the way through with a plastic nut on the other side.

I'd like to get rid of these and put some metal ones in there.
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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Glad it worked out. Yes the side thru hulls are just like you stated, easy peezy to deal with, it's the access to some that can be a tad challenging.

I seen your fuel filter change post on BD. I would recommend changing after you splash her and run the engine. This way if for some reason you have a no start issue (VERY unlikely) it's one less thing to feel the need to dig into. And another thing - change the Racor element first and then run the boat. This will send any crud bursts from your Racor element swap to your old secondary filter, not your new replacement.
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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This is excellent advice! Thank you, Rob!

BTW - are/were you running 10 or 30 micron filters in the Racor?
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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BTW - are/were you running 10 or 30 micron filters in the Racor?
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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gfuller wrote:BTW - are/were you running 10 or 30 micron filters in the Racor?
RobS wrote:30
I know that the Racor is considered a "Mud" filter, but why 30 and not 10?

I've always run 10's in my Racor and they have always been very clean minus a bit of black, but never the mud paste that I've seen on others. For me, running the 10 helps to keep my primary on engine filter much cleaner and I'd rather have the odds of a restricted filter to most likely be the Racor.
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Re: Frozen Seacock

Post by RobS »

Kevin, I agree. I replied with what I was using back then w/ the Yanmar . I do run 10's now with the 6B's.

gfuller, you can switch to 10's just keep 2 spares on board, they "may" clog quicker, which is what you want, right?

Good catch (pun intended)
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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Ok - I actually picked up a couple of 10 Micron filters not knowing what it had in it currently. I'll pick up a couple more and maybe a 30 if I get sick of changing them and keep em on the boat.

Thanks guys!
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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Instead of buying 30 micron filters, I'd put my money into a Vacuum gauge to be able to monitor the Racor filter condition. When it hits 10hg .. replace the filter. No guessing.

This unit replaces your existing T-handle (I'm pretty sure that you have a 900 Series turbine, but double check:
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http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?pa ... id=3220545
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Re: Frozen Seacock

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Would anyone know the part number of the seacock Gfuller posted? My handle on my discharge valve feels like it's stripped and will move the valve either direction. Currently it's in the closed position , which is good I suppose. I am thinking the only solution is to replace the valve. I would like to user the same one since I could use the same holes and make that part of it easier. If there are other solutions rather than a haul out. I am open to any suggestions. Thanks!
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