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Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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gcmarshall
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Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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Hi all,

I know this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to go at it again. I have a 2005 flush deck with the 6LPA engine. I constantly get asked about the rudder size being so tiny, and why I don't put on a bigger rudder. The boat is also ridiculously difficult to turn easily, and requires a fair bit of engine maneuvering. The leg in the vetus bow thruster has some sort of issue, as it is "binding" - and I haven't used that in a couple of years. The boat is in commercial use, so it is not out of the water long enough to really tackle the bow thruster - it is on a "future project list".

But, what really was the issue with the rudder size that caused Albin to reduce it? 95% of the time, my Albin is travelling at 7 knots or less, and I really wanted the increased steering for help docking the boat. It is hard to imagine a larger rudder making it more difficult to steer, unless perhaps you were going at WOT?

Any thoughts on this? Anyone added a couple inches to their rudder?
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Re: Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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Here's a link to previous thread .. http://www.albinowners.net/aog/viewtopi ... 4517#p4517
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Re: Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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thanks. reading that old link is enough to take this back off my to do list, and maybe just try to get the bow thruster sorted.

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Re: Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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Although, now I am thinking back on this....95% of the time I am at 1600 to 1800 rpms. Occasionally I might do a 2 minute at 3000 rpms in a straight line heading back home late...

I am wondering if it is worth trying out bolting on an extension out of alum or stainless steel on my next haul up.... that way, if it performs that poorly when the boat is back in the water, I can easily remove it in the water.....and if it performs good, I could weld it on properly on the next annual haul up. What material are the rudders made out of anyway? Anyone ever try any kind of "rudder extensions"?

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Re: Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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I actually now came across this post http://www.albinowners.net/aog/viewtopi ... 0&start=15
re: drilling a hole in the tiller about 1" in front of the existing hole and using that one to increase the rudder angle....this seems pretty intriguing.

While on one hand I am sure the Albin engineers knew a lot more about boat design than me... they are also designing a boat to meet the needs of the majority of their users - for many which is 'cruising"...not necessarily for a person who is going at 7 knots or less, 10 hours a day...:-P
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Re: Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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GC, go ahead and try drilling the new hole. You have nothing to lose - you can always go back to the original hole. We still love this simple change - one of the best and easiest improvements we've made to the boat.
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Re: Rudder Modifications on 28TE flush deck

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You should contact Ken Hilton at Standish Baot Yard in Tiverton Ri. He worked with Albin to convince them to make a change to the size. It’s worth the call. He is good about sharing info and had direct connections with Albin
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